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Continuum Center For Health And Healing
hey, it’s marie forleo and you are watchingmarietv, the place to be to create a business and life you love. if you or anyone you loveever suffers from stress or anxiety or depression and you want a science-backed, holistic approachto reclaim your health on every level, this episode is for you. dr. kelly brogan is a manhattan based holisticwomen’s health psychiatrist and mother of
Continuum Center For Health And Healing, two. she’s the author of a mind of yourown and coeditor of the landmark textbook integrative therapies for depression. shegraduated from cornell university medical college, completed her psychiatric trainingand fellowship at nyu medical center, and has a bs from mit in systems neuroscience.kelly helps women break down the misconceptions
of an outdated and broken healthcare systemthat’s keeping them sick, confused, and dependent by giving them the tools to becomea happier, healthier person. she’s board certified in psychiatry, psychosomatic medicine,and integrative holistic medicine, and is specialized in a root cause resolution approachto psychiatric syndromes and symptoms. kelly, thank you so much for coming on theshow. i’m so excited to be here. thank you forhaving me. so i wanted to frame this conversation froma few different viewpoints. one, we’re gonna talk about depression but i feel like everythingthat you teach about, that you write about, that you speak about also applies if we’refeeling fatigued or stressed or that we just
have a foggy brain. is that accurate? yeah. struggling basically. and then the second thing, obviously yourbook – it’s aimed at women. but for all of our fellows in the audience, everythingwe’re gonna talk about today is equally as applicable to men as it is to women. yeah? yes. you can ignore the pink cover. it’strue. it’s true. so you say depression is one of the most grosslymisdiagnosed and mistreated conditions today, especially among women. that 1 in 7 are medicated.and you also say depression is a gift and that we should thank our bodies for givingus this signal. what does that mean?
yeah. so the first, most important premiseis to understand what i learned after going back into the literature, you know, learninga certain story about depression from my training as a conventional psychiatrist. i had to unlearna lot of that to get at the truth of what it is. and, in fact, it’s not a disease.not a disease in the way we think of diseases as being something you inherit, somethingthat’s understood in terms of the bodily biology, and then something that requires,you know, really only one path of treatment: lifelong chemical prescriptions. right? so depression is a diagnosis made througha conversation like this. it’s really like a collection of symptoms and in many waysit’s like a syndrome. so if you look at
it that way, then you can understand thatit has many different potential drivers. right? there are many paths to it. so it’s sortof like if your toe hurts it could hurt because you dropped a hammer on it, because you havean infection in your toenail, because you have a string tied around it too tight. andthe hurting is just an expression on your body's part that something’s up. right?it’s asking for your attention. and so, you know, through my research i’veunderstood and clinical experience that there are many, many reversible, if not all reversible,causes of depression or ways to move through it, you know, as a healing journey. and youhave to understand what is driving it in your particular case to understand how you couldpossibly reverse it.
and i think something about seeing it as agift, not that you’re… it’s provocative. i know. not that you’re broken. not that there’ssomething inherently wrong with you or that you necessarily have to carry this with youforever more for the rest of your life. i think that was something that really hit homefor me because there’s so much shame if you feel depressed, or at least there canbe. and i love that reframing that … no, no, no. this can be a gift, not only to wakeup to something that you can heal, but also to a process of transformation. absolutely. i mean, it’s become my beliefthat the body is one of the most sophisticated,
you know, mechanisms on the planet. and weare just beginning to look through the keyhole of how it does what it does. and so it doesn'treally make mistakes. any time you have a symptom, anything from a sore throat to aheadache to something like, you know, mania, it’s actually an expression on the partof the body. it’s attempting to get your attention so that you can look at differentareas of imbalance in your life. and those can be nutritional, you know, they can beenvironmental, or they can be psychospiritual. and when you begin to attend to that area,things will shift and change. and in this way, you know, depression or really all mentalillness from my perspective, it’s the beginning of your next chapter if you pay attentionto it. and sometimes, you know, we can look
at choosing to medicate it as potentiallyopting out of your own journey. and it’s a very different perspective, but i see everysingle day in my practice what it is to move through the experience of struggling, pain,grief, suffering rather than attempting to stuff it in a box. so you wrote, “not a single study has proventhat depression is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. and depression is not aboutthe brain per se.†i’m curious, what are some of the primary triggers? yeah. so i think there are probably four orso very common ones that are highly, highly treatable. really quite easy to reverse. andmany of them have, you know, in common that
they, you know, relate to the body’s languageof distress or rebalancing, which is inflammation. this is kind of a buzzword and for a reason.because all of the diseases, so to speak, of modern civilization whether it’s autoimmunityor cancer or heart disease or diabetes – and i am trying to include all mental illnessesunder this umbrella – often relate, if not always relate on some level, to the activationof this system for rebalancing, which is the inflammatory system. it’s the immune system.it’s the way, again, that our body attempts to adapt to a given trigger. and that triggercan be stress related. you know, you can feel psychological stress and actually have mobilizationof inflammatory messengers from the rest of your body. or you can eat something, you know,that disturbs your gut balance that then drives
inflammation from your gut to your brain.so there are many, many different pathways. but most of the interventions are really quitesimilar. so that’s why i love what i do because it’s really quite easy. you know,relative to the complexities of pharmacology. you can meet the body with a set of very powerful,elegant tools that really put everything into balance. so it’s sometimes interesting just to thinkabout what’s driving it even if the intervention is the same. so one of the most common onesis blood sugar imbalance. i treat women in my practice and i would say the vast majority,if not all of them, struggle with some degree of blood sugar imbalance. and, again, there’snothing wrong with the body’s response.
when you eat a bagel and your blood sugarskyrockets, your insulin is secreted like a tidal wave to suppress that blood sugar,and then you’re dipping low and an hour and a half later you’re hangry. right? you’restarving, you’re irritable, even jittery, headachey. i’ve had patients who have hadfrank panic attacks because of this process. your body is not messing up. it’s meetingan unnatural demand in the way that it knows how. it’s attempting to alert you to thefact that you probably shouldn’t be consuming that if you want to, you know, reinforce thebest gene expression, so to speak, in all of your different systems. so blood sugar imbalance can account for thingslike fogginess, insomnia, you know, you could
land a diagnosis of adhd because of it orall types of anxiety, flatness. and it is so simple to resolve, even sometimes in 10days to two weeks with a high in natural fat diet. relatedly, there are a number of food-basedtriggers that are almost always processed foods that i've come to see as really powerfulleverage points, like sort of game changers. and i would say the top two ones are wheatand dairy. so like the best foods. basically the things that taste the best, you know,the things that you feel like i’m gonna have to rip out of your cold, dead hands.you know? because they’re … some people think like, “well, i’d rather be depressedthan not eat pizza.†or some people think
like, “i don't know what i would be eatingif i didn't eat wheat and dairy.†and almost always i get excited by that because the changethat could come from that type of a relationship when adjusted is profound. i mean, there are reports in the medical literaturevery recently, a 37 year old woman who was so psychotic that her family took out a restrainingorder on her. she became homeless. they treated her with all sorts of medication that wasineffective. they ultimately found out that she had wheat sensitivity, put her on a glutenfree diet for three months, she was totally normal. totally back to her normal self. and so this is not just about weight lossor a wellness fad. it’s a very real driver
of what we are calling mental illness. andit’s an experiment you can do on your own. you know? there’s so much information outthere on how to eliminate wheat and, you know, processed dairy that it’s really quite easyto do and can be a massive game changer. again, not just for your psychiatric symptoms, butthe potential side benefits are really, you know, could be a long list. so another area i focus a lot on is medications.because when i began to research, you know, sort of a broader truth about psychiatricmedications i left no stone unturned. so i looked at all the medications i used to take:birth control, tylenol, advil, antibiotics. and i began to understand that some of thesevery, very common medications have untold
psychiatric side effects. you know? so you could be, for example, eating a bitof the wrong diet and taking, let’s say, an acid blocker because you get indigestionevery time you have dinner. and over time, you know, those medications are now over thecounter and they’re only ever studied for six weeks of use. so let’s say it’s beentwo years you’ve been taking this acid blocker, you develop well documented b12 deficiency.again, b12 deficiency, in and of itself, can drive not only catastrophic depression butalso dementia. i mean, this is, again, not like a minor, you know, side effect. and so this cascade of medication, side effectsleading to psychiatric medication prescribing,
is something that it might be hard to connectthose dots if you’re not aware that it’s even possible. right? birth control is a big one. you know, i tookbirth control for 12 years. i thought it was a feminist entitlement, you know, for me tobe able to get my period when i felt like getting it. and, again, the idea is a veryvaluable one, but in practice i think women are really being victimized by this medication,because there is literature to support the fact that it’s proinflammatory, it inducesnutrient depletion, and it can lead directly to psychiatric prescribing. i mean, therewas just a million person study completed over 13 years showing that teens who are prescribedbirth control have an 80% increased risk of
being prescribed an antidepressant. it was very true, actually, for me in my early20s when i had to get off of it immediately. yes, sometimes it’s very clear. it was so clear … i felt like a differenthuman being. but, see, you should thank yourself. i totally did. i was like this is not working. because when you have those extreme reactions,that’s where the gift is because if it was a subtle thing, you know, you could’ve gonefive, ten, fifteen years on this medication that was subtly changing your biochemistry,subtly changing your personality even.
that’s how it felt, actually. and your whole path could’ve been derailed. yeah. very, very different. one of the thingsthat i appreciated in your book: you shared we’ve reached a point in our evolution whereour health is being outpaced by our lifestyles and how we’re biologically designed to live.and there were three points and i thought these were so simple and yet so profound. we’re idle when our bodies want to move,we eat unrecognizable foods, and we expose ourselves to environmental factors that assaultour cells. it is extraordinary to me how true this is and how so many of us, millions ofus, are just … we’re stuck behind our
desks, we’re staring at computers, we haveelectronics with us all the time, and it’s nearly impossible to get us to move. you know, whenever i talk with my family orwith close friends and i’m like, “we need to take a walk. we need to get you walking.â€and i even have to say this to myself because i can fall that easy victim to that as wellwhen the pressures get too high. is this something ... are these kind of the three factors thatyou see so much when people come into your practice? absolutely. and, you know, it’s almost likewe’re being reminded. that’s why i talk about, you know, depression as being a gift.because we’re being reminded of something
we’ve forgotten. and in the medical literatureit’s actually termed evolutionary mismatch. you know, these illnesses like depressionthat are skyrocketing in incidence, part of the reason is because we are living in a waythat we have not evolved to live. and so the body is basically screaming, you know, “getback to basics.†there’s a really powerful book from the70’s called the continuum concept and it’s this idea that we have evolved. like this,again, very elegant organism, to expect a certain set of exposures from birth. you know,from birth all the way through infancy through the rest of our lives. and when we departfrom, that we’re gonna be called back. and the way that we’re called back to that continuumis really through these kinds of symptoms.
and that’s why anyone who has recoveredthemselves, you know, i’ve put an autoimmune thyroid condition into remission, which wasreally my entry point into all of these principles. anyone who has recovered themselves and defiedconventional medical odds has done so by just getting back to basics. and it’s like theyjust awaken to the simplicity of it. but often we need a bit of fear, you know, we need abit of struggle. sometimes you really need to hit a rock bottom or go through a darknight of the soul to be really awakened to what is possible if we just begin to livethe way we’re meant to live. and that’s through moving, through sun exposure,through honoring our sleep cycles and daily rhythms. for women it’s relating betterto your hormonal existence as a cyclical process.
and, of course, i feel most importantly, it’sworking with food as information. right? food is not what, you know, sometimes it stillis to me, which is just a way to make myself not hungry anymore. you know? get it donein seven minutes. that’s all i have time for. it’s a way to bridge your body andthe environment that you’re a part of. it’s an informational exchange. and when we forgetthat, we’re gonna be reminded. what are, for anyone listening saying, “okay,this sounds incredible. i’m in. wanna get the book. wanna start cleaning this.†whatare some of the everyday triggers that might be hiding in their medicine cabinet or theirkitchen or underneath their sink in their cleaning materials that may be contributorsto them not feeling their best?
yeah. so i often say start with changing yourbreakfast. and it’s so funny because i love to write and i blog a lot, right? and sometimesi’ll spend three months on one blog. all of the links to the primary literature andi spend all of this time and effort on it. blood, sweat, and tears. and two people readit. and then i wrote this blog about what i eatfor breakfast. what i discovered through my own healing journey was something really … apowerful way to reverse my own blood sugar issues. and it is hands down the most viralpost i’ve ever … it took me seven minutes to write it. literally. isn’t that funny though?
it’s like this smoothie recipe that i madeup. so it’s … so, for example, it’s made with egg yolks, with coconut oil, withnut butter, with ghee, which is like a clarified butter that doesn't have the protein we’remost concerned about when it comes to sort of brain behavioral, cognition types of concerns.and then it’s coconut water, cocoa powder, and then any kind of fruit you like. so iuse frozen cherries. it tastes like chocolate milk, it’s totally delicious. and i wentfrom being starving after eating cereal or, you know, like some kind of a processed baror a bagel. starving in an hour and a half that now if i don't have lunch for 6, 6 anda half hours, it’s totally comfortable. so that is one of the simple ways to beginto see how your entire performance in your
life can change based on what you ate forbreakfast. so i’ve really developed a pretty strongconcern about most medications. i also think there’s a better way. so when you engagein a medication intervention, not only are you opting out of that invitation, right?so you’re not going to learn that the reason you have headaches is because, you know, ofyour blood sugar imbalance or because of your wheat sensitivity or because of another medicationyou’re taking. you’re never gonna learn that. so in that way, you know, it’s sort of likeif you were to take a tylenol for a piece of glass in your foot. like, don't you justwant to get the glass out? it makes more sense,
right? so while i have concern about the opt-outthat happens when you choose to take a medication, i also have concern about sometimes the potentiallyquite significant side effects that no one told you were even possible. so, again, the common ones that i highlightare, you know, common painkillers. i mean, there was a recent study out that showed thattylenol actually has emotional numbing effects. how would you ever connect those dots if youdidn't know that the scientific literature was suggesting that it doesn't just do thisone little thing it says it does? you know, with pharmaceutical medicine we’re sortof under the impression we can just pull one little piece of the spiderweb and leave thewhole thing intact. but, of course, the whole
thing moves when you pull a little piece ofit. right? i think we’re starting to wake up to that,especially for anyone who ever sees the pharmaceutical ads on tv. and you see the happy little purpleperson and then the list of potential side effects, it’s like … and those aren’t even the whole story. … you may want to kill yourself and thenkill your entire family and then you’re gonna have hotdog fingers and projectile vomitingpossibly, and then 15 other things. and sometimes i will sit there with my jaw on the groundsaying, “how is this legal?†i know. i know. well, it’s that we all havecolluded. we all have. it’s not just pharma,
it’s not just doctors. it’s all of us.because we go to our doctors and we ask for the quick fix. you know, we ask for the magicpill. and what i’ve really come to discover is – there’s no such thing. there reallyis no such thing. that medications over promise, they underdeliver, and there’s often anuntold story about their potential side effects and there’s an easier way. it may seem morechallenging because it involves behavioral change, but it’s uncomfortable for maybetwo weeks. and then what is possible is so thrilling. i mean, it’s really profound. yeah. that has been something very personalfor me. a few years ago we were struggling because my dad with type 2 diabetes.
yes. and got him off of all but one of his medications.and that was a really, really big deal. and so now i’m constantly hawkish with them.they just recently moved, my dad is going to a new doctors, and my mom had stepped inbecause the doctor was trying to push more medications on him. and i was like, “nuh-uh.no. we’re not going there again. what do we need to reexamine in the diet and lifestylethat we need to pump back up so he’s not going back?†that’s the thing. i mean, you know morethan that doctor does arguably. because i had the same training that doctor did in medicalschool. we have about an hour on average of
nutrition-based education in medical school.your doctor is unfortunately totally ill equipped to help. and they want to help, but the onlytools that we’re given are pharmaceutical tools. so that’s what’s amazing aboutthe internet. you know? is that the average lay person knows more about how to heal thana conventionally trained doctor. and so my sort of mark of success in my practiceis for my patients never to see a doctor again. including me. and i think that’s absolutelypossible when you shift your mindset and begin to trust that everything you encounter is,again, a message you probably need to work with and that you always have the tools. that’swhy i’m really, really passionate about this 30 day intervention. and i rule witha bit of an iron fist because i think that
every adult deserves one month of their lifeto learn about the relationship to their diet. and you have that information forever. youcan do with it what you want to. right? so in that month i asked people to take outcoffee. so i practice in new york. yeah. this is a big challenge. coffee, alcohol isoften an even bigger ask. even for people who don't think of themselves as having aproblem with alcohol. i ask them to take out all grains just to make it almost simple,but also because certain grains we want to use strategically. things like rice get introducedagain later because they have a very special, you know, rice has a special property in termsof seeding your gut in a good way. but we
want to sort of clear the slate before wedo that. so all grains, all dairy, all sugar. and we’re really left, people sort of saywell … what am i gonna eat? but actually you’re just eating food. right?so my protocol, somewhat controversially – including to myself because i was a former ethical vegetarian.of course, back in the day that meant like doritos and pepsi. but nonetheless, i hada lot of struggle ethically with the idea of progressing to a healing diet that involvedanimal food. and my protocol not only involves animal food but actually red meat specifically. so we’re eating animal food, we’re eatingeggs, we’re eating fish, poultry, red meat,
pork, the whole thing. and then all vegetablesare on board, as should be the case for pretty much any nutritional protocol you’re engaging.but including starchy ones like sweet potato. and then we’re gonna eat nuts and seedsand a lot of oil. so those oils in the smoothie i mentioned. so things like coconut oil, ghee,olive oil, avocado. and natural salt and a ton of filtered water. and that’s it. and it ends up being, you know, simple interventionthat can shift so many different data points literally in the space of two weeks. but iask for the month and i ask for it with 100% commitment. no like “i was starving so igot a piece of pizza one day.†no like “oh, my best girlfriend is getting married. i haveto have a bite of cake.†nothing. don't
pick that month. pick another month whereyou can really do it. because by the end of that month you will have the information youneed. and then if you have a cup of coffee and you feel irritable and like you need anap 6 hours later and then you can’t sleep that night, well good. you don't have generalizedanxiety and you’re not an irritable person and you don't have insomnia. you just havethat relationship to coffee. now you know. good. so it’s about self education and reallyconnecting dots for your own self empowerment. there’s two things i wanna cover. one, ican hear some people saying when you made the comment, “hopefully you’ll never haveto go to a doctor again.†i can hear people going, “but wait. i’ve just got this diagnosis– a life threatening diagnosis.†and i
can hear them railing against that. so i wouldimagine that for you, and i’m curious to hear your response to this. arming yourselfwith the knowledge of how to heal your own body and understanding how your own systemrelates to different foods, should you bump up against one of those things in your lifeyou can then take that knowledge to a particular specialist who then you can work with froman educated standpoint. so i’m curious to hear how you … this is a great question and, again, rememberthat i am totally conventionally trained, dyed in the wool. i come from the perspectivethat if you were to not go to, not only a doctor but an ivy league trained doctor, thenyou’re being irresponsible and reckless.
so i get that mentality 100%. but the way that my path has unfolded, notonly have i healed myself from a condition that i was only ever taught in medical schoolshould be chronic and unremitting and even disabling, and i don't take any prescriptionsat this point in my life. but i also had the deep privilege of working with dr. nick gonzalezwho is a … who passed tragically last year, and who is a doctor who worked with end ofthe road cancer patients. so terminal metastatic cancer patients. so doesn't get worse, right,probably than that diagnostic category. and i watched him with hundreds of people puttheir cases into not only remission, which defies any medical outcomes i’ve ever readabout – and i read the literature for 4
hours every saturday for 14 years – andi have never heard of cases in the conventional literature with all that chemotherapy, radiation,and surgery have to offer that matched his outcomes. 34 year survivor of metastatic pancreaticcancer. doesn't exist. and he did this through nutritional protocols. and so i had the honorof working with him, learning from him, and having him influence my own work. so for me there really is no carve out, butthe important caveat is that we often need … i think of myself a like a helper. right?so i’m a helper for certain people at a time and window in their life, and then theytake the reins and they are healed. and often we need a helper. we need a teacher.we need a guide. you’re probably not going
to find that in someone who has a fundamentallydifferent belief system than you about the body’s capacity to heal. but you will findit in someone who shares that belief system even if they sort of do it in a differentway than you heard about from somewhere else or than you’ve been doing it. so naturopaths, chiropractors, functionalmedicine trained doctors, holistically oriented doctors know this language. you know, youwill be speaking the same language. so seek out that person. don't argue with your doctor.you shouldn't be arguing with your doctor. you should be partners on the same team alwaysand with the same goal in mind. and so it’s becoming easier and easier to find these kindsof people and easier to find the information
on your own actually on the internet. buti do believe in that healing partnership, i just think it’s very challenging whenyou have to educate your doctor. it’s a challenging kind of dynamic. let’s talk about the power of exercise andmeditation. so we know about ... it sounds … food. ultimately primary. your informing… the information you put in your body. how about exercise and meditation? yeah. so exercise was a tough one for me,because before i was diagnosed with a thyroid condition i never exercised. i didn't evenunderstand why people would exercise. it’s really uncomfortable and it takes a lot oftime. i don't get why people are so into it.
so i went to the literature again and i foundthat actually what’s called low volume, high-intensity exercise is more effectivethan daily cardio. so it’s called burst training or interval training. so how awesomeis that? so you do less and you get more. so i actually only ask my patients if they’renot already exercising to do 20 minutes a week of sweat inducing. you know, it can bedone on an elliptical, you can do military burpees, you can do jumping jacks, you canuse a jump rope. and the idea is 30 seconds of really high intensity. you know, like alion is chasing you kind of a thing, 90% of your effort. 90 seconds of recovery. and youdo 8 cycles of that. and that’s sort of like a gateway ideally.i happen to think that for the women i work
with, for the population i work with, thatdance is actually really important and movement. and i hate that kind of exercise. the 20 minutesi just described is not enjoyable for me. so i … that was a gateway for me. now idance several times a week. and i feel like not only do i exercise, but i experience akind of freedom, joy, and feminine empowerment that i wouldn't have access to if i was justexercising to exercise. but often you need to get there and find your own favorite typeof movement. but so i only ask for 20 minutes a week. the meditation piece was another point ofresistance for me. because i got with the food thing, i put my condition into remission,and i thought, “okay, cool. i’m done.â€
but i was still my, like, stressed out selfjust living like now a food-based neurotic lifestyle. and i really was thriving on stressin a way that, again, i was invited to look at by the fact that after my second pregnancyi had a bit of a relapse thyroid-wise and i … that was when i changed. that was wheni said, “okay, there’s something i’m missing here.†and i have followed the literature on meditation,it’s like 40 years of literature that says that you can just meditation for 20 minuteslistening to someone talk you through a meditation and all sorts of gene expression changes inyour body. from longevity genes to insulin sensitivity genes. it’s so simple. do it.and i never did it. still. so for me the game
changed when i discovered kundalini yoga meditation.and it’s a very, very old branch of yoga. some people argue it’s the oldest branch,because it incorporates all different kinds of modalities from hand movements to differentkinds of breath to different kinds of mental focus and sometimes movement. and it’s … i sort of think of it as meditationfor people who suck at meditating because it keeps you really busy. so a given meditationi might have my fingers doing a certain thing, breathing in through my nose, out throughmy mouth, and in through my mouth and out through my nose. i might be looking at a certainplace. and imagining sort of hearing a mantra in my head. and so it sort of gives you thebenefit even if you’re thinking about … if
you can still think about what you need tobuy at cvs. you know? it works, so to speak. and the other reason that i like it is becauseyou can start with three minutes. and so i ask my patients to start with three minutesa day and i’ll assign them a given meditation. you can go online and you can google “kundaliniyoga meditation digestion†or “heartbreak†or “intuition†or “anxiety†and thereare thousands of them, totally free that you can do on your own. and even if they say startat 11 minutes, you can just start at three. and so everyone has three minutes. maybe notfive, but everyone has three. and so i ask people to just set their alarm clock for 5minutes earlier and it’s a point of entry. and, again, i’ve dug up the literature onthis which says that all sorts of things can
shift and change, but maybe most importantly,you're sending your body – you’re sending your nervous system a signal of safety. andyou’re telling yourself everything is actually okay. because i wouldn’t be stopping foreven three minutes if i was in the fight or flight state that i am in the rest of theday. so it’s almost like an interruption of a cycle or a pattern. for me, my entirenervous system was rewired in two months of early morning meditation. i started with threeminutes and now i do 45 minutes every morning. no compromise, no exceptions, like no excuses.and i … i need it. you know? i don't think i would be able to … i would’ve gone muchfarther on that path without another diagnosis had i not made this change. so i’m reallypassionate about it.
thank you so much for your work, kelly. iam just in love with your book and who you are and what you’re bringing to the world.and i want to wrap up with a question that you ask actually on your about page. and i think it’s a powerful question foreveryone in our audience to consider. i’m curious why you have it on your page. so “whatis the happiest, healthiest version of yourself that you can imagine?†how can this questionhelp us? i think it’s interesting because “happyâ€is a word that i think we need to almost abandon in a way. it’s like a gateway to a biggerquestion, which is like, “do we really just want to be happy?†because i think thatso many of us feel deep down something is
missing. like something is off. and we don'tknow how to get to the thing we know is missing, but we have some sort of hope or faith thateventually we’ll find it. otherwise we wouldn't just be on this hamster wheel punching theclock to survive until we die, which so many people feel they are doing. right? so when i ask people to imagine their morevital self, it’s more than just some sort of fantasy exercise. there’s actually datato suggest that when you sit and inhabit something that you want for yourself, it becomes morelikely. it’s called morphic resonance in quantum physics. so the idea to sort of inhabitwhat it is that you think would be that … the fulfilment of that missing piece.
and so for most of the women that i work withit’s, you know, it’s not feeling like euphoria every day. it’s actually feelinggratitude. i think of gratitude as being the antidote to depression. because when you canfeel that expansive sensation, and you can experience really the wonder of it all, you’renever gonna be able to move into that space of victimization or rage or frustration andhopelessness. it’s almost impossible. so it’s a powerful exercise to begin to justplay with this idea that something maybe you can’t even quite envision yet is possiblefor you. thank you so much for coming on the show,kelly. total pleasure. total pleasure. thank you.
now kelly and i would love to hear from you.so we talked about a lot of different things today, but i’m curious: what’s one specificaction you can start taking starting right now to reclaim your health? leave us a commentbelow and let us know. now, as always, the best conversations happenafter the episode over at marieforleo.com, so go there and leave a comment now. and whenyou’re there, if you’re not already, be sure to subscribe and become an mf insider.you’ll get instant access to a powerful audio i created called how to get anythingyou want and you’ll also get some exclusive content and special giveaways and insightsfrom me that i just don’t share anywhere else.
stay on your game and keep going for yourdreams because the world needs that special gift that only you have. thank you so muchfor watching and i’ll catch you next time on marietv. ready to find your voice and sell with heart?we’ll show you how. get started now with our free writing class at thecopycure.com.side effects include enlarged profits. the body is one of the most sophisticatedmechanisms on the planet. and we are just beginning to look through the keyhole of howit does what it does. and so it doesn't really make mistakes.
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