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the president: thank youall for being here today. it's a great honor for youto share your personal stories of struggle underthe enormous strain imposed on you by thevery, very failed and failing obamacare law.
Midwest Center For Women's Health, secretary price and i,along with my entire administration, and a lotof people in the senate and a lot of people in thehouse are committed to repealing and replacingthis disastrous law with a
healthcare plan thatlowers cost, expands choice, and ensuresaccess for everyone. you represent the millionsof americans who have seen their obamacare premiumsincrease by double digits and even triple digits. in arizona, the rates wereover 116 percent last year -- 116 percent increase. and the deductibles are sohigh you don't even get to use it.
many americans losttheir plans and doctors altogether, and one-thirdof the counties -- think of it, one-third onlyhave one insurer left. the insurancecompanies are fleeing. they're gone;so many gone. the house bill to repealand replace obamacare will provide you and yourfellow citizens with more choices -- far morechoices at lower cost. americans should pickthe plan they want.
now they'll be able topick the plan they want, they'll be able to pickthe doctor they want. they'll be able to do alot of things that the other plan was supposed togive and it never gave. you don't pick yourdoctor, you don't pick your plan -- youremember that one. we're not going to haveone-size-fits-all. instead, we're going tobe working to unleash the power of the privatemarketplace to let
insurers come in andcompete for your business. and you'll see rates godown, down, down, and you'll see plansgo up, up, up. you'll have alot of choices. you'll have plans thatnobody is even thinking of today. they will have plans thattoday nobody has even thought about, because themarket is going to enforce that, with millions andmillions of people
wanting healthcare. more competition and lessregulation will finally bring down the cost ofcare, and i think it will bring it down verysignificantly. unfortunately, it takesa while to get there, because you have to letthat marketplace kick in, and it's going to take alittle while to get there. once it does, it's goingto be a thing of beauty. i wish it didn't take ayear or two years, but
that's what's going tohappen, and that's the way it works. but we're willing to gothrough that process. working together, we'llget the job done. and i have to say thisjust in closing, and then i want to hear some ofyour stories, and we'll let the press stay foryour stories if you like. but the press is makingobamacare look so good all of a sudden.
i'm watching the news-- looks so good. they're showing thesereports about "this one gets so much and this onegets so much." first of all, it coversvery few people. and it's imploding. and '17 will bethe worst year. and i said it once, i'llsay it again -- because obama is gone -- thingsare going to be very bad this year for thepeople with obamacare.
they're going to havetremendous increases. and the republicans,frankly, are putting themselves in a very badposition -- and i tell this to tom price allthe time -- by repealing obamacare -- becausepeople aren't going to see the truly devastatingeffects of obamacare. they're not going to seethe devastation in '17 and '18 and '19. it'll be gone by then,whether we do it or not.
it'll be implodedoff the map. so the press is making itlook so wonderful so that if we end it, everyoneis going to say, "oh, remember how greatobamacare used to be, remember how wonderfulit used to be, it was so great." it's a little bitlike president obama. when he left,people liked him. when he was here, peopledidn't like him so much. that's the way life goes.
that's human nature. the fact is, obamacareis a disaster. and i say this to therepublicans all the time: by repealing it, bygetting rid of it, by ending it, everyone isgoing to say, "oh, it used to be so great."but it wasn't great. and i tell tom price andi tell paul ryan, i tell everyone of them -- i say,the best thing you can do politically is wait ayear, because it's going
to blow itselfoff the map. but that's the wrong thingto do for the country, it's the wrong thingto do for our citizens. so with that, i'd liketo introduce some of the folks and you could saya few words about your experience with obamacare. and perhaps the presswill even report it. (laughter.) would you like to start?
ms. couey: yeah, thankyou for this opportunity, mr. president. the president: thank you. thank you. ms. couey: our rates arethree times what they were before obamacare started. we have one providerin our county. we have very littleoptions for what we can and cannot do.
we're a small-businessowner; we're actually not a brick-and-mortar, weare cattle ranchers. we can't afford ourequipment if we're paying these rates year afteryear after year. our food source is injeopardy because of this healthcare law. it's my basic -- the president: i know. sorry. don't worry. don't worry.
this is what's happening. it's gone up three times,and then you have to pay -- if you don't want touse it, you have to pay. that's theall-time beauty. if you don't want to useit, you have to pay. and, tom, you have topay big league, right? some people say, well, ifi use it, i use it, i'm paying too much. if i don't use it, ihave to pay a penalty.
and do you haveto pay penalties? do you ever do that, oryou have to -- ms. couey: we haven't as of yet,but we were uninsured in december. they dropped us for thefourth time, after we paid over $50,000 last yearfor healthcare expenses. the president: andit's gone up triple. ms. couey: yes. the president: and beforeobamacare, you actually
had good healthcare. ms. couey: we did. we had a fantastic plan. the president: a lot ofpeople -- nobody ever takes that into account. i'm not saying the systembefore was good, because it wasn't, but millionsof people had great healthcare thatthey loved. now, when you startdeducting those millions
of people from theso-called people that are happy, you have a verysmall number of people that are happy. that, i can tell you. how about you? participant: well, we'rekind of the same story as carrie. in 2009, i left afull-time job to be a stay-at-homemom to two kids.
for our family, it wasnever an option to get government assistance; wejust don't believe our neighbors should workharder so that we don't have to. so my husband said, if youcan pay for our insurance -- which at the time was$650 a month for private health insurance for afamily of four -- then that was fine. from 2009 to 2015, thatprivate insurance went up
by 102 percent. finally, his employer toldus in 2015, when it went up the final time anadditional 34 percent, that they couldn't carryour family anymore, so i had to enter back into theworkforce but i couldn't find a job that offeredhealth insurance. so we entered underobamacare, and we believed the sales pitch that, "ifyou like your doctor you can keep your doctor." soeven though we were going
to have to pay $1,300 amonth for obamacare, we thought we'd still beokay with our doctors. we were on itfor five months. our pediatrician for ourchildren wouldn't take it, my doctor wouldn't takeit, so we paid them $8,000 in five months and werenever able to use it. and i think what makes ourfamily story unique is, we're by no means wealthy. in 2014, when we enteredthe exchange, we made
$53,000 as a family, myhusband and i together -- that was our gross income. and then in 2015, we madetogether -- since i had gone back towork -- $74,000. but when you look atpaying $10,000 in health premiums and insurance --and health costs -- the president: so it'sbeen a rough go. participant: ithas, it's been hard. the president: how haveyou found obamacare?
participant: we'll be sohappy to see it gone. i mean, it's almost putour family in financial ruin, and i think that'sthe story for a lot of people. the president: it's putbusinesses in financial ruin. participant: that's right. the president: it's one ofthe biggest costs -- it has been disastrousfor businesses. go ahead, sir.
mr. seife: yes, first ofall, mr. president, thank you for having us here. mr. seife: i think it's agreat opportunity to talk to the american people,people like ourselves that have struggled withthe healthcare law. i myself am from miami. i haven't had very muchtime to prepare, but the president of the unitedstates calls and i'm here. so it just so happened i had -- every
single year for the pastcouple of years i've had a different insuranceevery single year. before, i had anindividual plan, my wife and i -- my wife is anattorney, i'm a computer programmer; i'm a smallbusiness, my wife is a small business. and i just don'tunderstand what happened. i have a daughterwith a disability. we've changed ourplan every year.
the president: so yourinsurance was good before obamacare. mr. seife: oh, absolutely. i never had -- the president: many people are like that. many, many plans weregreat before obamacare. they were so happy. and that doesn't justifythe system before obamacare, but people aremiserable now, and it's
putting people out ofbusiness and it's putting them in the poorhouse. go ahead. mr. seife: it's justthat we had to -- they cancelled our plans, andi couldn't understand why they cancelled our plans. so we had no other choice. i remember the presidentof the united states say that individual plans willnot be covered, you need
to have anemployer-based plan. i do not work for thegovernment, i do not work for a large employer. the president:very unfair. mr. seife: weare ground zero. my case is ground zerofor the healthcare law. the president: and yourepresent a lot of people in the same situation. mr. seife: absolutely.
the president:it's very unfair. mr. seife: like my friendhere, she's in the same situation. and i think it'svery, very unfair. and i think that the realscenario was that this law was supposed to implode,like you were saying. and my parents are from --came from communist cuba, they know whatsocialism is all about. so i know what socialismis, and that's pretty much
what -- this whole systemwas meant to have one single provider. the president: well,it turns out it's so expensive it's almost notsocialism when you think about it. you have to pay so much. what do you think? ms. sertich: i'm fromarizona, and i can tell you that the 116-percentincrease is real,
it's not a myth. i lost my plan three timesduring the obamacare era. after losing it this yeari decided to opt out. so right now i do not havetraditional healthcare. and i went from a$365-a-month premium last year to a $809-premiumthis year. the president: and ahigher deductible. ms. sertich: thedeductible was going to be $6,800, no copays.
so if i went to thedoctor, i would be paying out of my pocket, and itjust didn't seem like a good use of my money. i thought i would be abetter steward of that $17,000 at the end of theyear should i have reached my deductible, and justdecided to opt out. i went into a faith-basedshare program, and i'm doing that. one of the reasons i feltlike i can do this --
totally taking a leap offaith -- is because i think -- i know you'regoing to get this taken care of. so i thought it's onlygoing to be for a year. i will be on this program,i will opt out of traditional healthcare,or health insurance. and i think you'regoing to get it done. the president: you have alot of people in arizona paying a big penalty?
ms. sertich: yes. the president: you'repaying the penalty? ms. sertich: well, and myhusband also owns his own business and can't affordto offer insurance to employees. and his employees who arealso in the independent market, it's justgetting too much. and i've had individualinsurance for 25 years, since i startedmy business.
so i've always been inthat individual market, i've always donewhat was right. i took responsibility formyself, made sure i was covered for healthcarebecause i'm a businessperson, i don'twant any huge healthcare expenses to affect themoney that could be going to my business now havingto go to a health expense. so i was in my mid-20swhen i said, you know what, i've got to get --we've got to get square
with this, i have to haveindependent insurance. so, i have. the president: well,thank you very much. the people of arizona havebeen hit very, very hard. at least 116 percent. here's the bad news: it'sgoing to go up more this year. now, if we repeal it,nobody is going to know that, and the press isgoing to say how wonderful
it was, and, gee,we miss obamacare. that's the problem. it's the biggestproblem i have, tom. we're going to do them abig favor, but it's not the right way. mr. brown: mr.president, thank you. the president: thankyou very much, louis. mr. brown: my nameis louis brown. i work for the christmedicus foundation.
i'm an attorney by trade. in 2009, when theaffordable care act was going through congress --what became the affordable care act -- i was workingfor the democratic national committeeat the time. i resigned my positionbecause i could tell that the democratic bill thatwas going through congress wanted to publicly fundabortion, and that's not something that icould go along with.
so i resigned my position,later worked for congressman dan lungren incongress, and went on to eventually work for thechrist medicus foundation. and we're focused onbuilding a culture of life, protecting religiousliberty in healthcare, protecting the right ofconscience, prohibiting the public funding ofabortion, and also prohibitingnon-discrimination against pro-life medicalproviders.
especially as an africanamerican, i'm a graduate of howard universityschool of law. the president:good school. mr. brown: yeah. thank you, mr. president. and i know from saint johnpaul ii -- he said that all of our human and civilrights that we believe in as americans, that weshare as americans -- the right to healthcare, theright to medical care, to
housing, to all of thesedifferent things -- are illusory if the right tolife isn't defended with maximum determination. seventeen million africanamericans, it's shown, that probably have beenaborted since roe v. wade. and i supported you in thepresidential election, gave several speeches inmichigan telling folks to vote pro-life in thegeneral election, and i'm really happy that you'rehere to continue the
bipartisan belief thatthere should be no taxpayer-funding ofabortion, and also really to support your effort toshow that the patient, the human person, should be atthe center of our american healthcare system,not the government. the government has itsplace, but the patient should be the center. so i'm happy to supportyou, mr. president. that's so nice.
thank you, iappreciate it. great job. yes, go ahead. dr. sethi: mr. president,thank you so much for inviting me. my name is dr. manny, andi run a nonprofit called healthy tennessee, andacross tennessee i'm a trauma surgeon. but what we do is --
the president: i'll be in tennessee on wednesday. dr. manny: we look forwardto hosting you, sir. the president:i'll see you there. dr. manny: yes, sir. we do these largecommunity events in rural appalachia, acrosstennessee, where we host these health fairstaking care of patients. so it's really agrassroots effort -- something that youunderstand better than
anybody -- where peoplecome out just to help people. doctors, nurses on theground, helping folks with preventative medicine,educating folks. that's what we do. but the one thing i'vebeen seeing across tennessee is that folksreally can't afford these rising premiums. so what they're doingis, effectively, they're
paying the tax penaltybecause it's cheaper and it works out better thanpaying for the insurance. and so that's been a bigproblem that we're seeing across the state. so thank you so much forwhat you're doing to tackle this problem. the president: so you'veseen a big problem, and the way out of the problemis to do a plan much more like the plan we'regoing to get done.
the president: we'llget that out -- without penalties too, by the way. people don't mentionall of the facts. you know, the other thingabout what we're talking about -- we really havea three-phase plan. they only want to talkabout the first phase. the first phase is justthe most basic of phases, and then you have phasetwo, which is largely done by our secretary, and thenyou have phase three,
which is a lot of thebells and whistles. but they don't want totalk about the bells and whistles. so they're reallycomparing things to something that won'tbe there for long. and the reason we have todo it that way is because of congress. i'd love to do it all inone package, but if you did it that way,it can't get done.
so we're going to getsomething done that's going to be terrific. i appreciate it. thank you,doctor, very much. yes, sir. mr. brown: thankyou, mr. president. i'd like to thank you forthe opportunity to be here today. i, too, am from tennessee,and i, too, am in the
farming industry. the president: good. mr. brown: and the effectthat i've had through obamacare is my wife's andmy daughter's insurance is supplied through herwork, i buy my own. and i've seen theincreases, since obamacare, to the tune ofabout $5,000 a year, just for me. and i have consideredtaking the option of the
penalty because -- myproblem with the penalty is, though, if i opt outof the program, and buy a private plan -- just acatastrophic plan because i'm a very healthy man --if i take that option, not only is my incomepenalized, but my wife's income as well, becauseshe makes a considerable more amount of moneythan i do, but she has insurance. so i don't thinkthat's fair.
and i don't think -- therate increase is just astronomical, and i'm inthe county that only has one option -- bluecrossblueshield of tennessee --and i've got about$540-a-month premium for the $7,000 out-of-pocketdeductible before i see any help at all. and i even got to pay ahigh premium for a plan that i don't need or don'twant -- the president: will you be able to continue, in the years to
come, if you have tokeep going like this? mr. brown: they'redropping out every day -- the suppliers inother counties. there's 35 counties intennessee that has no options at all right now. i don't know whatthose folks do. the president: youknow what that means? that means somebody isgoing to make a lot of money.
you know that. they're going tomake a lot of money. somebody is going to -- well, a few. you're not goingto make it. they're going to make it. there are people veryhappy about this situation. mr. brown: thank you forthe opportunity to be here.
the president:well, i appreciate. thank you, joel. doctor? dr. armstrong: yes, sir. well, i'm a physician intexas, and thank you for allowing me tobe here today. and i'll tell you, whati've seen is that a lot of patients really are notadequately covered by obamacare. it was supposed to coverpeople who had -- like
everyone has said here --with the rising premiums and the risingdeductibles. i take care of patientsin the hospital, and the patients are shocked toget a $20,000 bill, and to find that they'reresponsible for $6,000 of that because theirdeductible is so high. and that's just thesituation that cannot continue. medicaid expansion underobamacare really doesn't
cover folks either,because many physicians are not eventaking medicare. they're not acceptingit any longer in the outpatient setting. and so folks who havechronic medical illnesses, like cancer -- i mean, mywife is a breast cancer survivor, and most of hertreatment was actually as an outpatient. it was very expensiveoutpatient care.
most physicians don't evenaccept medicaid, so those patients arestill uncovered. and so the medicaidexpansion really hasn't covered them. the folks who haveobamacare insurance really are inadequately coveredas well because they're still paying extremelyhigh premiums and then having to pay extremelyhigh deductibles. and so it's really --
the president: and do they even reach it withthe high deductibles? they don't even reachit for the most part. dr. armstrong: you know,oftentimes they do not, unless they have somesort of serious medical problem, and they're inthe hospital, and it's very expensive -- theydon't even reach their deductible oftentimes. and so it's unfortunate.
so i really appreciate it. i actually read the billthat's been produced that's coming out of thehouse now, and i really like a lot of thechanges in it. i think that this is goingto correct a lot of the issues thatobamacare has had. so i really appreciatewhat you all are doing. the president: well, iappreciate it, doctor. say hello to your wife.
i will. the president: very nice. thank you. gina. ms. sell: hi, mr.president, i'm gina. i'm from wisconsin. i'm a nurse, i'm a mom,and i am part of that huge group of middle-classfamilies that were impacted by the aca. before aca, we hadinsurance that was
eventually cancelled, andi had written a letter to our senator just askinghim, what do i do? do i quit my jobcompletely so that we can obtain a subsidy -- a jobthat i love, as a nurse in a hospital that i love? or do i uproot my familyand try to find a job with benefits that doesn't evencover the medical -- the president: so thehealthcare is -- the obamacare forced you toactually -- in a sense,
forces you, economicallyand almost potentially, to get another job. ms. sell: right. the president: eventhough you like your job. so i did end up getting afull-time position at the hospital that i worked at. but that came with a pricebecause i was working three days a week, andspending time with my small children, who aremy number-one priority.
and after the aca, i wasforced -- because we could not afford a premium of$1,200 per month and a deductible that didn'tcover anything -- to find a job with benefits. the president: meaning thedeductible was so high that, essentially, unlessyou had a really big problem, you wouldn'teven be able to use it. ms. sell: correct, yes. and we're stillin that boat.
i mean, right now ourdeductible is $6,500. and so if i have a childwho's extremely sick, it's going to cost mehundreds of dollars. just last week, mydaughter had a fever, and i sent her to schoolfor three days straight because i had to work toafford our assurance, and i couldn't afford tobring her to the doctor. so it has been devastatingfor our family. the president: it's reallynot having insurance at all.
a lot of obamacare,you don't really have insurance because thedeductibles are so high that you really don't haveinsurance, if you think about it. all right. thank you very much. good luck. ms. sell: thank you. the president: yes, sir.
mr. knox: mr. president,thank you very much for hosting us. this is great. i have to startwith something. as i was leaving thehouse, my 11-year-old ran up to me and said, "dad,i'd like to have you give this to mr. president for me." the president: whatdo you have there? i wished ilooked that good.
mr. knox: "dear president trump, it is a great honor to beable to write to the president of the usa. i think you are a greatpresident and a great man. also, don't worry, thepicture of you on the front of this looksnothing like you." the president: (laughter.) that's very nice. i wish i looked that good. mr. knox: so i had theprivilege of meeting with
secretary price andvice president pence in cincinnati about a weekand a half ago at a roundtable, and i'll sharewith you what i shared with them. i started with a quotefrom the great president, ronald reagan, who said,"the most terrifying words in the english languageare we're from the government and we're hereto help.'" kind of my feelingon healthcare.
frankly, i think that thesystem was broken before the last administrationgot their hands on it. i started my company 21years ago, and i had a vision of wanting toprovide 100 percent full family healthcare for aslong as i had a company, because i really felt inmy heart that it was the right thing to do. i was one of thelast holdouts. but, sadly, after about15 years, i really had a
choice of either having acompany or being able to provide my employees thatlevel of healthcare. and that's sad. i tell my wife all thetime -- you can have anything you want, we justcan't everything we want. we have the besthealthcare system in the world -- we do -- butit needs to be fixed -- whether it's smallbusiness owners, like myself -- i'm amanufacturer, i'm on
several boards in themidwest in manufacturing. what we'd like to see isnot a government-operated market, but a free market. i sell (inaudible)equipment for a living. we have a trade show everyyear, and there's hundreds and hundreds of people selling competitive products. if we had a healthcareshow in my town, there would be three or fourpeople under that roof.
and as a businessmanyourself, you know what that does to driving downcosts or the lack thereof. so we would like to seemore of a free-market solution, going back towhat made this country great --entrepreneurialism instead of empowerments; workethics instead of welfare. and that's what we'dlike to ask you for. and i'd like to saythank you very much. the president: as youknow, that's what we're
doing largely, but wealso have to take care of people that can't affordto be in a position like you are. so we're going to do that. largely, i think beyondeverything, if you look at what's going to happen --the competitive bidding -- every element of whatwe're doing is competitive bidding, but we have totake care of people who need the help.
and there are a lotof people like that. mr. knox: there's alwaysbeen a safety net in the united states, andthere should be. and, unfortunately, wheni see 50,000 -- or 50 million americans takingassistance in -- you know, they're marketfood stamps. that's like -- for thepeople who really can't provide for themselves,you know, we're all charitable people who areamericans, we're the most
generous nation on theface of the earth. so i totally believe insafety nets for those who need them, not freehandouts for (inaudible). the president: we're goingto help a lot of people, but we are going to bevery much free market people. they can afford -- andthey'll be off the cost. go ahead, stan. mr. summers: i'm mr. stansummers from box elder
county, northern utah. i think i'm probablythe only other elected official herebesides you guys. it's been an interestingride to watch the healthcare system inthe last 26 years. when my son was born,he was three and a half months premature,26 years ago. and we had reallygood insurance. we basically didn't haveto pay anything out of
pocket besides what wewere doing from where i worked. as time went on, youcould kind of tell the healthcare system has beena little bit broke, and then all of a sudden theaca -- and i'm not going to call it the other word-- i call it the last president'shealthcare program. i don't want tosay that name. so anyway --
the president: other than that, you like him a lot, right? mr. summers: yeah, exactly. it's gotten to the point where i own a couple of businesses tooand do the things that i have to do. i actually ran forgovernment so i could have insurance -- and won. but now i'm looking atthese people, saying, how can i provide insurancefor them without raising
taxes and doing thesethings that are happening -- because everythinghas gone up. utah didn't expandmedicaid -- we weren't a part of that -- and we cansee why now, because of the things that arehappening throughout the nation with states andcompanies and everybody else going bankrupt. so it got to the pointwhere i ended up -- not only with my businesses --i have to drive a school
bus to keep my wife athome with my kid that was ill. so now i own threebusinesses, i drive a school bus, and i'm anelected official, to be able to continue to do thethings that i need to do with healthcare. the last three -- well,the last three years -- the president: so it'sgone through the roof. mr. summers: oh, i got a$6,000 deductible -- hsa
-- but i will meet thatagain in three months. so i'm at -- i think mywife said morning, at 4,800 or 4,900 bucksalready this year in march to be able to meetmy out-of-pocket. and so by the time aprilcomes, i would have met that to be able tocontinue to do. and if there was one thingi probably could ask you about -- and my boy hasgot a rare disease, and i appreciate you talkingabout the rare [disease]
community in your speeches-- is that if somebody has cancer or somebody has arare disease or continues to have problems, why dowe have to do a deductible every year? so i'm sitting there atchristmas going, okay, my deductible has been metfor six or eight months, and i'm going to turnaround and have to do it again for the samedisease, for the same symptoms, for thesame everything.
the president:that's interesting. tom, could youanswer that? that would be interesting. secretary price: it'sall about the risk and spreading the risk withinsurance over a period of time. but it is a challenge forindividuals with chronic disease, there'sno doubt about it. mr. summers: and iappreciate you even
thinking about it andtalking about grassroots, and when you're talkingabout all the people that we support with thefarmers and ranchers, and the small-business people,and the people that are in manufacturing, our countyis one of the largest manufacturing counties inthe nation per capita. and nucor would love totell you thanks -- nucor steel would love to tellyou thanks for everything you've been doing.
the president: nucorhas been very good. it's going toget better, too. mr. summers: and we'vegot a ton of those. the space program -- weused to make the shuttle boosters outof atk thiokal. and we'd love to havethe space program. i got a reallygood friend. the president: those daysare gone, but they're coming back.
mr. summers: i've got afriend that's going to go up in the next little bit,lieutenant commander scott maker tingle, who isheaded up on a spaceship from russia. but he would love to comeback to the united states and be able to go upthrough the united states. so all those jobs i knowwill come back with you. the president: well, garycohn, who is sitting right next to you, he's a bigbeliever in what you're
saying -- right, gary? mr. summers: if there'sanything we can do to help you, the countiesare behind you. we can find youlow-hanging fruit to be able to pick off thattree to help with jobs. just let us knowwhere we can help. thank you, stan. mr. summers: thankyou for your time. the president: would youhave anything to say, tom,
generally speaking? secretary price: well, letme start, mr. president -- really powerful aboutthe consequences of the current law, and you hearpeople's lives that have been affected inremarkably adverse ways that sometimes you don'tthink about as it relates to healthcare -- whetherit's businesses that haven't been able tosurvive, or individuals who need to take three,four, five jobs; moms that
can't be with theirkids when they want. this is about real people. it's about real patients. and so working with youand your leadership, we are really excited aboutthe opportunity to put in place a patient-centeredsystem where patients and families and doctors aremaking decisions, and not washington, d.c. the president: what about the concept that --
and everybody knows it's happening -- thatobamacare is imploding, that if we don't doanything, it's not even going to be aroundin another year? but now it seems to begetting this wonderful press like it's awonderful thing, and it's a horrible thing actually,and getting worse. and '17 will be, by far,the worst year so far. secretary price: yes.
the president: because alot of things were put into '17. but '17 is going to beworse, and i assume '18 will be worseeven than '17. so it's essentially gone. how do yourespond to that? because i've been tellingyou, "why don't we wait? just let it implode, andlet's not take the blame." i've been telling youthat as an option.
it's not an option ilike, frankly, but it's certainly an option. secretary price: i think'18 can be better if we implement the law and weutilize the regulatory process to make some -- the president: well, i'm not saying that. i'm saying, if we don'timplement the law, what happens with obamacare? what's going onwith obamacare?
secretary price:what you'll see is a magnification of all thesestories around this table: more businesses beingharmed, more individuals not having the kind ofincome that they -- disposable income thatthey would use, more moms and dads not able to carefor their kids in the way that they believe to bemost appropriate, more people gettinginsurance but no care. this is about realpeople's lives, and that's
why it's so important. the president: gettinginsurance but not being able to use it because thedeductibles are so high. secretary price:that's exactly right. the president: and youhear these stories where they're paying a fortunefor insurance, and then you hear how hightheir deductible is. and unless they have atragedy in their family, they're never goingto be able to use it.
secretary price: yes, thisfellow has to -- $13,000 before theinsurance kicks in. that's what he hasto pay -- $13,000. mr. seife: that's likenot having insurance. secretary price: that'slike not having insurance. the president: well,keep working it. ms. sertich: they'recatastrophic plans now. secretary price: exactly. the president: he's beenworking very hard, and
he's doing a great job. mr. vice president, doyou have anything to say? the vice president:mr. president, i think what unequivocally thesegreat americans see in high relief is you'resomeone who puts people over politics. and i just want to thankall of them for coming, and in front of thenational media, talking about the real world andimpacts of obamacare.
you've said itconsistently over the last two years thatobamacare has failed. but these people areemblematic of the americans thatobamacare has failed. and i just am so gratefulfor their time, but so grateful for yourcompassionate leadership in driving the congressand driving our nation toward better healthcareoutcomes for them and better solutions built onthose american principles
of more consumer choices,more free market, but also, as you said, thecaring for the most vulnerable by allowing ourstates to innovate and medicate in ways thatwill create even better healthcare coveragethan they have today. the president:thank you, mike. thank you, everybody. the press: mr. president,do you have any message for those who areconcerned about losing
their insurance, whetherit be medicaid or higher costs (inaudible)? the president: itwill get better. if we're allowed to dowhat we want to do, it will get better-- much better. hopefully it willget very good. the press: sowill it take long? the president: ittakes a period of time. thank you, press.
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